Power steering pulley swap issues

[Autoarcheologist]

Hi gang,

I'm in the middle of trying to swap on a Ford dual groove power steering pulley.

I found a used pump and pully from an 80s Ford F350 at Pick n Pull and grabbed it.  I will attach a photo of the pulley number if that will help anybody else once I shrink the file.

Once I got the pulley off the Ford pump and my pulley off the Dodge pump I figured out that the inner diameters were off by about 1 mm.  But a local machine shop solved that problem.

Once I got the Ford pulley back on the Dodge pump I ran into problem number 2.

It looks like the original single Power Steering belt was running on the outside most groove on the water pump / fan pulleys.  So the second groove on the power steering pump is hanging out 1/2" in front of the other pulleys.

I was expecting to have to shim the pump 1 or 2 mm, but I can't see a way to shim it 1/2" without losing the rear mount, and introducing a bunch of play and instability into the system.

I'm totally perplexed, in all the previous posts I have seen about this mod I never read about this. 

So I have a couple questions:

1.  Does anybody have a photo of a dual pulley system mounted on their Clipper?

2.  Does anybody know if the power steering brackets changed over the years?

Any other ideas on how to make this work?  For now I'm just going to run a single belt until I can solve this.  But even with multiple adjustments I still get PS belt squeal under load, or when cold, or just at random times.  It's annoying and I'm afraid I'm going to lose a belt so I'd like to fix this.

Thanks!
Ian
1980 Clipper - 440

[Clipper Joe]

Hello Ian,
There May Be A Different Configure On 1980 Clipper,
I Have A 1977 Dodge 440 Ci My Double Pulley I Bought From Ford,
Went On With No Mod At All.
I'll Try & Take Some Photos & Post Them.
I Did Not Have To Re-Work Any Of Power Steering Mounts
Or Shim Anything.
I Do Run Matched Set Gates Belts I Got From Napa Auto.

I Have A Spare Double Pulley From Ford, When I Hear They Were Not To
Sell Them Any Longer.
I'll Try & Find Box & Get OEM Ford Part  Number For You.

But The Year 1980 Clipper, May Have To Revamp P. S. System Brackets, To Make Do.

Hope This Help
One Other Thing On Your Crank Pull Do Have Extra Belt Groove?

Joe   

[Autoarcheologist]

Joe,

Do you know if you have a 440-1 or 440-3 engine?

I did some research last night.  I found this thread along the way and according to my spark plugs I have the 440-1 engine.

http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?topic=7894.0

This thread shows different belt routings for the 440-1 vs 440-3.

http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php/topic,4401.msg13560.html#msg13560

I'm not sure if only Motorhomes got the 440-3, or if some class C RVs did as well.

I will take a photo and post it.  Unfortunately I haven't had any luck finding info on PS mounting brackets and if they changed over the years.

The PS pump looks original, but it might have been replaced.  Who knows.

Ian

[Clipper Joe]

Ian,
That Is Possible They May Have Changed Your PS Pump.
I Took Some Photos of My Clipper.
I Have Double Pulleys For My Power Steering & Alt & A/C Unit.
My Engine Is A 440-1
Most Class A Used The 440-3 Also The One & Half Ton & Up RVs.
Have To Size Photos On Laptop To Post On ACOC Web Site.

Joe

[Autoarcheologist]

Thanks Joe, I will also try to get a few more photos if its dry tomorrow.

I could also share a link to my Google photos I suppose.

[Clipper Joe]

Ian,
That Is Possible They May Have Changed Your PS Pump.
I Took Some Photos of My Clipper.
I Have Double Pulleys For My Power Steering & Alt & A/C Unit.
My Engine Is A 440-1
Most Class A Used The 440-3 Also The One & Half Ton & Up RVs.
Have To Size Photos On Laptop To Post On ACOC Web Site.

Joe

Hi Ian

Have Some Photos That May Help, PM Me If You Need More Info,  Joe

[Clipper Joe]

Ian Photos,

I'll Try & Get The Ford Pulley OEM # For You, Have To Go Through Some Tote Bins To Find It.



Joe

[Autoarcheologist]

My best guess is that the brackets changed between 77 and 79.  In 79 they might have been using up whatever they had.

I'm trying to find 70s parts books to compare part numbers.