Hello.
My power steering pump has a huge leak in it, and leaks out all the fluid when I drive.
Planning to just remove the thing and buy a new one...
Should be about $40?
How do I do it?
Do I just remove the hoses and the belt (drain the liquid in a pan), bolt the new one on and reattach the belt and hoses and refill fluid and thats it?
Thanks
You pretty much have the replacement procedure. One thing I always do, when you replace the pump, don't hook up the return line from the steering to the pump. Put it in a jug, fill the pump and start the engine. Turn the steering back and forth. This will flush out any contaminants that are in the steering box. You don't want to pump the crud in the box right in your new pump.
Oh awesome, just the kind of tips Im looking for, thanks man! Ive never replaced one before, so I guessed the procedure right :D
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Hey Satorizero & Retrorob,
Well Said in your Posts, These Are The Tips That Helps Other Members,
I Have Changed Many Pumps & Also Master Brake Cyl. & Do The Same Thing & Pre Fill Them First,
Also, Have Found For a Novice Mech. It's Easier To Remove Pump & Bracket & Replace Old one with New On a Work Bench So they Can Change Part easier in Front of Them.
Satorizero do you have a Double or Single Pulley on Your Power Steering Pump?
There Are Some Post on Forum it is Best to install A Double one.
I Think Ford Used a Double one off Its Old Vans. You may have to get it from Wrecking Yard They a not Sold Through Ford Dealerships any Longer, I Have a Double one on My 1977 Dodge 440, I bought @ Dealer many Years ago & Bought a Spare in Case.
I think you may be able to find one online E-Bay.
Joe
Ok ClipperJoe finally got to this, getting pics and such.
It seems to be a single pulley...
Why use a double?
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The mess it makes.
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Satorizero,
It's better to have a double water pump / power steering pulley setup than a single. I have just been through this change over. I had problems pulling steep grades, could not tach over 2400 RPM's or the belt would slip and start smoking. Had I stayed on it hard it would have broken the belt. Then I would have been sittin on the side of the road with an overheated motor and No power steering!! The change over is not hard, but it does require a couple of special tools. If I were you, I would go to Auto Zone or another good parts store and purchase a complete pump with oil reservoir already installed. I have not seen them come with a pulley already installed. Maybe you could get lucky and find one, but I doubt it. Make sure you have a double water pump pulley and the extra pulley groove on the crank shaft pulley. The new pulley for the power steering you can get on Amazon, it is a Doorman Pulley P/N 300-125 double belt pulley, you'll need a pulley replacer tool, also through Amazon it is an OTC P/N 7005. The pulley's press fit on and off. If you want to remove the pulley off your old pump you will need a special puller to remove it. I'm sure you can find that on Amazon also. The new double belt pulley just presses back on the pump shaft so the pulley is square across the front pump shaft and it should line up perfectly, Make sure you get 2 new matched belts, double check belts at the store for length, making sure they are exactly the same length, they may have the same Part number on the new belts, but they can be just enough different so one belt is tight and the other one loose. Save yourself a trip going back to the store to exchange the belts!! Measure both belts with a belt gaging tool . I learned the hard way !! Good Luck ! Hope this has helped you Hank OUT!
Hi Hank & Satorizero,
Well Stated Hank, A Double Pulley Is The Best Way, The Alignment has to be Dead On You Can Use A Straight Edge Ruler Or 1 1/2" Trim Wood. Matched Belts A Must, also Note: Do Not Force Tightening.
Use Belt Tension Gauge Or Check Flex With Hand, Better To Be A Smug Loose Than Overly Tight, Will Reck Pump Or Belts. Trail & Error :-[
Hank, Many Years Ago I Got My Pulley From The Local Ford Dealer In Bay Area Of Northern California.
Got Part # From Bob Chaney. he said they used Double Pulleys from Early Ford E350 Vans.
I Special Ordered Them Out Of Ford In Canada. I Have A Spare Just in Case.
Were Did You Get Dormon Part # ?? Did They Just Start Making Them? Thats Great To Know.
We Need To Try And Get A List Of These New Part Numbers For These Old Vans & Clippers 1973- 1980
It Would Be Great To Have A Data Base On This Web Site For Clipper Owners To View>>>>
Also Old & Deleted Amer. Clippers That May Have Met A Mis Fortune, to Get Interior Parts Also...
I'M Will Make A Small List Of My Spare Parts, Since I Have Removed & Updated A lot On Our 1977 Amer. Clipper, Ie; Power Center, Shocks, Fridge RM66E,Old Pull Down Curtain Roller Rods, I Also Have A Complete Spare 3800 Watt Generac Gen-set., A/C Coleman Shroud Etc.
Hope This Helps,
Joe
clipper joe,
I just did the change over 2 weeks ago. I listed the P/N in my post, They have plenty of them in stock, and of course they are made in China, but made very well !! That pulley fit an early Ford Van 1963 or so. The pulley runs about 32.00 bucks with shipping. Works very well, soloved all my belt slipping problems !! By the time your done you'll spend a 100 bucks or so, new belts, pulley, new high pressure power steering hose, return hose,and fluid. I put a small oil cooler on the return line, works well ! I spent 4 years completely rebuilding my Clipper, from bumper to bumper inside and out . Knowing what I know now I would have never gotten into it!! But it's done now and I'm going to enjoy it !! Good Luck guys !! Hank out!
Hi Hank,
That Sounds the right way to Update Power Steering System.
It looks like you have Done what I have with our 1977 Dodge 440 Rear Kitchen.
I Bought it from 2nd Owner. He did not service or repair much. I got it in 2000 or 2001.
I have Gone Through Almost every Part to bring it back to a Proper State, that This old Clipper Deserve. I rebuilt, Engine Completely new Carb, High Output oil pump, Rv Cam Shaft, Installed Extra Duty 4 Core Rad, rebuilt 727 Transmission, add Haden cooler,
Re did Generac Generator unit, Added 2ea. New 6 Vdc Golf Cart Batteries, With Disconnect Switch, Rebuilt Front & Rear Brakes, Serviced Dana Rear End , Added Air Bags on Rear & And Replaced all Shocks With Bilstein Heavy Duty 9000 lb Shocks.
Did a lot of on inside Interior, Removed Carpet & Added Stone Looking Plank Flooring.
New Progressive Dynamic Power Center & Transfer Switch,
New Roof A/C Shroud, Fantastic 12Vdc Fan With Rain Covers , New Updated Escape Hatch.
Added Side & Rear Back up Camera's, new Wheel Master Wheel Covers.
I Painted Cab & All Stripes on Clipper, Have Done Many More Upgrades,
Now Hope for A lot Of Safe Trips in Clipper Wilson That's What I Call Him..
Hank, Don't know if I Would Tackle A Project this Large Again, Have Also Learned How Well Built These Clippers Were Made.. Ivr Perch, Sure Did a Great Job!!
I Know I would not sell it. Wish I had a better Shape one to start Restoring it.
We'll Ramble long Enough,
Thanks again for Info on Power Steering, I May Work on Front End Idler & Ball Joints Next.
Have you Done Yours?
Joe
Joe Clipper,
No my ball joints and idler shafts were cherry, didn't have to touch them other than new grease boots. One thing I did was installed a Gear Vendor's over/drive so you have 6 gears instead of three. Changed to 15" wheels with 31" tall tire's. It will cruise down the free way at 65 mph turning 2200 rpm's . I haven't gotten a good check on gas milage yet. Should be able to take steep grades in 3rd gear now that my belt problem has been solved. Yes, I have a back up system for just about everything that could go wrong, I carry enough spare parts, hoses & belts just in case ! If you go back through some of my old posts there are picture's of my rig and some of my street rods in there somewhere. Hank Out
Thanks Hank for Update,
Can you Post Model # Of Your Gear Vendor That Sound great,
I Have A 1977 Dodge Clipper, Will it Work With Torque Flite 727
Long Shaft?
Also How Does It Shift? Is It Vacuum or Mech. Lever?
I Have a Borg Warner On My 1930 Ford Model A
Has 3 Gears High 3 Gears Low or Compound.
Would Like to Know If It Will Help
Mileage The Best So Far with About 700 Miles On Rebuilt Engine Is 7.2 MPG.
Does Is The Cost Much?
Have To Ask, Have To Budget, You Know Wife Thing :(
Thanks again,
Joe
Clipper Joe,
Just google Gear Venders and you can see what they offer. Yes they have a unit for long tail shaft 727 trans, thats what I have. If I had to do over I would have gotten the short tail shaft. They cost about 3 grand . Plus shorting the drive shaft with new u-joints 150.00 . Hank OUT!
Thanks Hank,
I Will Check It Out.
Has It Improved Your Gas Mileage Much?
Joe
Clipper Joe,
I'm sure it has but I don't know for sure what the number really is . I need to check the milage, but figuring the motor is turning way less rpm's than it used to, I'd be guessing ! The rear end gear is 4.10 and it used to have a 28" tall tire, so to 31" tall tire with the overdrive makes a lot of difference in the rpm's the motor turns, The motor is a .030 over bore 440, changed to a steel crankshaft with an RV cam. Added a set of Doug Thorley exhaust headers into a tuned dual muffler and out with 3" exhaust pipe. Also I use a total lock up torque converter and Edelbrock torguer aluminum intake manifold, with the stock Thermo-quad . Seems to have plenty of Oats , Hank OUT!
Hank,
Thanks for Info,
Did you buy Headers Years ago?
I Have been Looking For a Good Part #
Of a Set
Do You Have The Part #?
And are They Ceramic?
Seems like Your 440 is Ready For A Good Drag Race.
You Have all The Power You will Ever Need For A Big Pull.
How do you Keep It Cool, Do You Run Aux Fan?
Joe
Clipper Joe,
Google Doug Thorley Headers, they will show you what you need. They are ceramic coated, run about 600.00 bucks. I run a four core radiator with a Hayden fan clutch, 180 degree thermostat . I also cut out the front panels on each side of the radiator and made 3" dia tubes with butterfly plates so the air flows directly over each bank of exhaust headers, this way the dog house stays nice and cool. You can open and close the tubes depending how warm or cool you want it. I also made a neat water spray system that I installed right behind the passengers seat. It consists of a window washer tank with 12 volt motor. I made a manifold with 2 water valves, by opening a valve you can spray the windshield or close the valve and you can spray cold water in front of the A/C condenser and radiator in 3 places. It shoots a mist of cool water at the push of a button I have installed on the right side of the drivers seat. So if your sitting in traffic on a hot day running A/C and the temp starts to go up, just push the button and it will go back down and you can stay cool with out having to turn off the A/C. I used choke, push pull cables to operate the butterfly plates in the air tubes . The transmission has a separate cooler with a thermostat temp control set at 195 degrees. If it should ever get that hot a blower motor will automatically come on to cool in down. I install an override switch to turn it on manually if I'm going up a grade. I also have a trans temp gauge so I know the temp of the trans at all times. Same with motor oil, and water temp. I have a gauge for everything ! Hank Out!
Hello Hank,
Read Your Post, that is a Great Idea on Passing Air Flow Across Headers.
I Have Seen A lot of Upgrades, People Hove Done To Make These Great RV Made Better,
I Have Really Been Looking On A Way To Increase The Fuel Mileage.
Have Read Many a Post. I Would Really Like To See A Cummins Diesel In A Clipper Maybe A 1977,
That is The Year I Have.
I Have Seen A Few 4x4 Van 1 Ton Conversions.
But Most Have Been Using Another Lower Chassis.
It Seems That Doug Thorley No Longer Make For 440 Rv
Do You Have You Model # From Yours Maybe Someone May Have A New Set they have Not Installed.
Joe
Clipper Joe,
I checked Doug Thorley headers on line, they are based right here in Riverside Ca. where I live. The number is 1-800 347-8664 You can see the headers and all information on there web site, The p/n is Thy-124y-c . It is a long tube ceramic header. I'm sure they probably have a set sitting in there where house ! Just hang on to your shorts, the price listed is now $1004.00 for the set. But I'll bet if you call them up they'll probably come off that price and cut you a deal. I used to make parts for the Thorley's years ago, Then Doug and his wife divorced. Betty took half the company and based her operation in Corona, Ca. where my machine shop is located. Doug stayed in Orange County. Later Betty died and Doug moved to Riverside taking over the whole deal. He may have since passed away but the Company still exists ! They are excellent headers, increasing performance as well as lowering exhaust temperature !! Hank Out!
Hi Hank,
Thanks So Much For Part# Info.
I 'M Now In So Calif. I Will Be Here A Few Weeks More. I Will Check With Them On Monday.
Maybe Be Able To Drive There, Its Not To Far, From Mother in Laws.
Price Will Be Something, But I Always Like Something That Will Improve H.P. & MPG.Just Got To Talk Wife Into It, I Will Tell Her It Will Keep Cab Area A Lot Cooler.
I Have Put A Lot Of Money In Our Clipper, But It Worth It To Have It Right.
Thanks Again,
Joe
Wow thanks guys... sounds like a lot from what Hank describes. I am a hands on guy and am willing to do it.
Unfortunately, not very finacially capable at the moment.
I am struggling getting my $300 for smog and registration, then ima deal with this Power Steering pump.
I eventually want to do all the necessary upgrades, like this one.
However, do to money restrictions... is there any way I can get away with a cheaper solution?
It will be kind of temporary until I can afford the better fix...
But how good will it be if I did the most basic cheapest method of replacement or fix?
Maybe new gaskets? Maybe a salvaged pump for like $40?
Idea/questions/comments?
Hi Satorizero,
There Is A Power Steering Pump Rebuilt From >>> Parts Geek.com
Part # 1664-07118489
Core Chg.$15.00
Cost $32.35 26 in Stock
They May Have A Rebuilt Kit, But The Amount Of Use These Clippers Get I Would Not Waste Time Rebuilding It. I Know On Our Clipper I Bought Special Recommended Oil From Dodge. Can Post Part # On Later Post.
I Would Install Dual Belts/Pulley It Makes A World Of Difference Than Single. Hank Was Right One, He Has Also Had Problems With Single Set-Up, I Had A lot Of Belt Noise When I Ran a Single Pulley Also.
It Will Save You A Lot Of $$$$ In Long Run, Do It Right, It Is Worth Saving Till You Can.
Joe